New Objective+Message

Main Menu+Japanese (日本語メニュー) This page is under construction. (このページは現在作成中です. )



12)Message was released in February 2012. But, it seems not well known in oversea and others.
Help us and Contact【多少でも手助けをご希望される方へ】

メイン　ショート　メッセージ　(version 3) 2012年2月
Japanese Translation. 日本語訳　作成中. 誰かお願いいたします.

11)英文添削などを行える方がおられましたら、ご協力ください.
Help us and Contact【多少でも手助けをご希望される方へ】

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2 )We have been helping Producer, artist, and fandom who may actively doing in YouTube and international Websites through several side projects. Please find in other pages.
【国際的なPさん及びクリエイター及びファンの為のページ】

3) オリジナルの作者等の動画の閲覧と表示にご協力ください
【Vocaloid関係者 YouTube一覧】

【Youtubeでのオリジナルのプロモーション準備】

【英語でオリジナル動画を閲覧するためのヘルプとお願い】

4)One of the Goal was added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West."
Please think what kind of things do you want to do next.

9) 通常の視聴者、SAVE MIKUの動画監視や、その他の方々の情報網や報告により、不審な動画削除として、誤解されて騒ぎになる場合がありますので、正当と思われる削除申請の場合は、御記載ください. 誤解や騒ぎが減る可能性が高いです.
【削除又は警告予定の動画のリスト】

12) Many other problems regarding videos are also found during the investigation. Please start to think.
Help us and Contact【多少でも手助けをご希望される方へ】

Please do not copied and re-upload videos without permission from Original Producer. False claimer may delete your video and account.
Secondary use does not include simple copying and re-uploading of video to YouTube from Nico Nico Douga/Video.

二次利用の際には、出来る限り、もとの作者などの引用情報を記載ください.


1ST OFFICIAL SAVE MIKU CONTEST 【日本語訳】【作曲コンテスト有】 -

Feedback message after investigation, July 2012(調査によるフィードバックメッセージ)
Feedback message 【調査によるフィードバックメッセージ】

===1) It was found that many copied and re-uploaded videos were already present in YouTube WITHOUT permission from original Producer. It may harming the activity of original Producer to start near future in YouTube. It is harming the NEW ORIGINAL creations. It may be asked to delete by original Producer. Please find original PV to view original video which is uploaded by original Producer in YouTube. Please change or add proper URL link in your Website to show original videos from P. Please read Piapro as a model of putting credit===

調査の結果、まだPに確認しておられない多数の無断転載状態の動画が見つかりました. これらの動画により、オリジナル作者のPが、近い将来YouTube環境で活動を開始するときに、妨げになる場合があることが判明してきています. 新規の創作の妨げになる場合があります. オリジナル作者のPが、将来削除や修正を求める場合もあるかもしれません. もしオリジナル作者のPが、YouTubeで活動を開始された場合、オリジナル作者のPの動画を見つけて閲覧してください. その際、オリジナル作者のPの動画が表示されるように、その他の海外サイトの動画のURLリンクを、適正に追加・修正してください. ピアプロなどで、紹介されているように、Vocaloid関連作品の場合、二次利用後に、ゆっくり後日、作者にコンタクトを取って利用確認が行われる場合もあります.

【二次創作利用の手引き】

2)Why videos are deleted? (なぜビデオが消されるの?)
===During our investigation, many problems are found in international Vocaloid community and user. It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often.===

===After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English. It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested. In addition to the mysterious deletion, normal legal deletion are also conducted by Youtube and copyright holders.===

3) どのように上手くいきかけているのか. 継続したご協力のお願い
===It was found that our investigation and monitoring seems protecting from mysterious deletion even something and video deletion are still happening in July 2012. If someone delete one Vocaloid video from YouTube, we can find out usually. We also receive complainment, opinion and suggestion from someone who still want delete videos.===

During our investigation, many problems are found in international Vocaloid community and user.
===Thus, please DO NOT STOP helping. We don't have enough people to continue for longer. We are doing by minimum number (a few) of people. We need to shift volunteer people to rest near future. We have been protecting, investigating and solving problems for 7 months from January 2012.===

===Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone who can participate as minor volunteer is highly requested. Most of the volunteer is helping very minor part from internet. However, if one person stop, major part of our activity is stop. Crypron and Google are not solving problems actively. They are not helping followings. Thus, you may able to help following:===

Help us and Contact【多少でも手助けをご希望される方へ】

a) promote our activity to international and Japanese Website to correct misunderstanding of our activity

b) proof read and correct of English of this Website.

c) contact original Producer to get information of permission guideline for the Secondary Use.

d) make video, illustration or other creative works related to our new massage and Websites

e) translate main part of this message into other language.

f) do many minor things

g) Donation and gift are welcome.. such as Vocaloid goods.

4) To the people who make advice and receive advice (アドバイスする方と、される方へ）
【アドバイスする方と、される方へ】

===During the advice and receiving advice for correction or something, it was fond that many kind of fights and additional problems were generated very often. It may cause mysterious deletion of videos sometime. Thus, this feedback is generated to solve problem in advance.===

===If original Producer ask to change something or delete video, please make fundamental relationship by communicating ordinary talk for about 1 WEEK before entering the discussion of major problem. It was found that immediate discussion regarding problems usually cause debate and fighting. It was also found that high school and middle school kids were occasionally causing problems in English Websites===

===Even some Japanese people in YouTube tried to make advice to correct something, it was/may recognized as some kind of spam or similar activity due to poor communication skill in English. Please understand that original Producers and some people who is helping them may not use good communication skill in English.===

===This is not the level of English writing. This is the experience level to understand foreign culture in different language/country. Experience to solve problem is needed for maintaining good communication. Please understand this is not the normal English advice nor normal conversation anymore.===

===According to the report, it was also found that some English translator in Japan may cause problem due to aggressive writing during correction. This person may expand problem even poor communication skill in basic English.===

===If original Producer is visiting you for several reason, please make sure the objective. P may also busy. Please understand Japanese creator may not good at English communication. If a volunteer from Vocaloid community is visiting for your advice or correction, please do not blame back. Please use simple English instead of slang.===

CAUTION
===If an adviser start blaming or writing negative comment, please stop advising and rest for at lease several days or 1 week. It may cause additional problems. It may cause very bad impression of other advisers too. Please have a fun instead of doing uncomfortable advice.===

(相手に理解を促し、情報をまとめるため、このサイトのページをお示しくださっても結構です. 早急に本題に対する回答を求めるのではなく、1-2週間以上考える時間を与えてあげる方が、上手くいく場合が多いです. )
Main Menu+Japanese (日本語メニュー)

===もし作者Pが、何かの修正や動画の削除を求められる場合、本題に入る前に、最低限の基本的な会話コミニュケーションを英語で確立できるまで、共通の話題や雑談などで[丁寧に]対話をして下さい. いきなり本題を言われた結果、文化相違や語学の問題により、逆切れや無視なども含めて、上手く会話が行われていない場合が多いことが、調査の結果判明しだしてきています. 基本的な信頼関係ができる前に、いきなり本題に入っても、理解してもらえず、会話が失敗に終るケースが多いためです. ===

一週間程度は、本題に入らず、最低限の信頼関係及びコミニュケーションの確立されることを、お勧めいたします.
基本的に海外の方は、普段からディベートなどを含めて活発に意見・反論することを美徳とされ、国により教育されて求められているなど、異なる文化環境にある場合が多いことを御理解ください. 通常の日本人は、単純な多少の反論を聞いても、逆切れと思ってしまう場合が、多数ありますので、[文化的な相違による]、海外の言葉の理解の違いに事前にご注意ください. これらは、翻訳しても単純には表示されません.

調査結果より、注意しても相手に聞き入られなかったと理解され、思い余って動画等の削除に走っておられる場合がありますので、まず主題に入る前に、相手方との信頼関係を[気長に]確立されることをご提案いたします. 本題のやり取りで、関係がまずくなってしまった場合、他の対話内容にするなどのスキルも活用してください.

日本人が、親切に説明し注意しているつもりでも、海外での相手方には、そのように外国語では理解されていない場合がありますので、ご注意ください.

基本的な関係が出来たのを確認した上で、ようやく本題に入られることをお勧めいたします. いきなり注意しても、通りすがりのうるさい人か、荒らしの方と思われてしまう場合が結構あります. この内容は、あくまで過去の例に基づく参考例ですので、上手くいかない場合もありえます.
Please read detail in following pages:

【アドバイスする方と、される方へ】

How to delete or change unwanted video of my song 【自作楽曲の気に入らない動画の訂正及び削除の依頼方法】

【国際的なPさん及びクリエイター及びファンの為のページ】

【削除又は警告予定の動画のリスト】

5) Crypton and Google issue
===Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012.===

===Most of Japanese fan knew that the information from MikuFan.com were wrong regarding Crypton and Google due to the original News in February 2, 2012 and some minor information from Crypton. However, their articles were expanded in international community in English. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.===

===We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. We spent 1-2 month to tell about misunderstanding or incorrect information in order to convince MikuFan.com, with minor unofficial help from Crypton. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.===

Case7 mikufan.com 【Are Crypton and Google really solving problems actively or NOT?】

Case7-2 mikufan.com summary page2

（誰が様々な問題を解決するのか?)
===We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care? ===

===In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. Google can not protect if the video is copied and re-uploaded without permission. Downloading and re-uploading of a video violate the general user term of Youtube. There are no people or organization to take care so far.===

Did SASA Jyunichi try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion?
(某　笹純一さんは、違法な大量動画削除により　動画問題を解決しようとしたのか?）

===Please start thinking instead of saying there is no problem. We are still not sure the initial person, who try to take care the coping videos and the permission problems by massive illegal deletion, was SASA Jyunichi or not. lol.. We found some information that SASA is/may related to musician. Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.===

なぜ誤解情報が、非常に大きな問題となっているのか
===The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. We highly need help to maintain current situation in order to protect and investigate.===

===Another big problem is that when we tried to release message, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. If Crypton and Google are actively solving the problems instead of us, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO. We can watch as advised by their article. Thus, we are not able to release and spread the new massage until nearly finish the investigation of this case. We needed to solve/finish the case of MikuFan.com before spreading our new message.===

拡散中の誤解情報の訂正
===It's still causing confusion and big problems. We and MikuFan.com need to correct wrong/inaccurate information in their article and need to spread correct information. It is normal to write correction in the field of Journal printing for more than 100 years.===

===Many international people believed their news that "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do." When we start to discuss, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. We can not correct information one by one.===

誤解情報の訂正です
Correct:

and they even did NOT confirmed that the Koreans had nothing to do with it.
Thus, everyone need to start thinking about many problems instead of just viewing copied videos.

6) 次のステップは、情報の訂正と、確認作業です
===We found some information that "SASA Jyunichi" is/may related to musician. Did "SASA Jyunichi" try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion? We don't know yet. We found that some Producer may hiding and protecting information of "SASA Jyunichi" in very small SNS community.===

===We can not get full information from Producers due to BIG misunderstanding. There are big mis-understanding within Producer in Japan that we (SAVE MIKU) promote and help copying and re-uploading video. However, it is not true. Please tell right information as listed here. This is the next thing everyone can do. We still get many spams due to this misunderstanding in Japanese Websites.===

Thus, we highly need to correct the information within Producer. We also need to correct this "Crypron and Google are already solving actively. Everyone needs nothing to do."
===It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often. After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English.===

It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.
===6-2) Since many account may start to lost contact, it is very good to make contact for reconfirmation each other. During reconfirmation please tell correct information and this page. It is also helpful to ask for the deletion of wrong information and videos as follows:===

Help Viewing Original from Producers
===It was discovered that many Vocaloid videos in YouTube were copied and re-uploaded since original video in Nico Nico Douga/Video may difficult view by international user. If you can view or show Nico Nico Douga in international Website, it solve many problems. Please help to show original works by putting proper links and embedding system of video to Website.===

How to view or show Nico Nico Douga and others in English including your Website
【Vocaloid関係者 YouTube一覧】

【英語でオリジナル動画を閲覧するためのヘルプとお願い】

【ニコニコ生放送を英語で見て予約するヘルプ】

8) Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading video
===We are now studying and investigating how to improve Vocaloid related environment. Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission. There is some possibility that someone who don't want SAVE MIKU campaign may also abuse these kind video and posting. Someone who don't like Vocaloid may also abuse.===

===Thus, please delete this kind of video by yourself. We don't need this kind of video. These kind of videos were mainly uploaded in February 2012. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.===

9) 現在拡散中の誤ったメッセージは、ご自身で削除ください
===Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading video. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.===

===Again, Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. In addition to us, Crypton is also asking to think about Coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use.====

(下記は現在拡散中の誤ったメッセージです. 削除ください)
EDIT: Miku is now safe,﻿ Crypton and Google made a joint effort and fixed the issue.

Countless videos featuring Miku are being deleted by unknown individuals and/or groups. Everybody, help us to save Miku!

What you can do:

1. Download every Miku video you watch with a YouTube Downloader of your choice

2. Upload them to your channel and mark them with SaveMiku (at least in tags, better in the title)

3. Spread this message through comments and video descriptions

We are her soul. We give her voice. We give her life.

We, the fans, are Hatsune Miku.

They want to take her down? They'll have to take us down!

I do not own anything. Everything belongs to their rightful owners.**

Example of video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8

10) なぜ初期の誤解情報が2012年2月に拡散されはじめたのか
===There was a news from J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. In this news, Crypton was telling they are only started to collect the information regarding video deletion. The person from Google was out of office.===

However, we found that "J-CAST News on February 2, 2012" may caused wrong or inaccurate translation during international transfer by someone within 1-2 days.
J-cast News : 海外の初音ミク動画「次々削除」　だれの嫌がらせなのかと大騒ぎに」2012/2/2

http://www.j-cast.com/2012/02/02121041.html?p=all

グーグルの日本法人に取材すると、広報担当者が不在だとして話が聞けなかった.

(According to Google Japan, no one was available to respond.)

>[Crypton reported they would investigate the claims and try to resolve the matter with YouTube.]
===1-3 days after from J-CAST NEWS (on about Feb 3, 2012), following message are already started to post in YouTube. Someone add the wrong or inaccurate information to the original news as listed in above (9).===

Then, started to spread as wrong information by someone as follows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8

[[File:Miku+YT1-4(font72pt)-lib531070.jpg|thumb|600px| BY http://piapro.jp/t/7Uu0 (Where to download.)

This illustration does not indicate that there is any relationship between Hatsune Miku and YouTube.

このイラストは、初音ミクとYouTubeの、提携などを含めた、関係を示すものではありません. ]]

Simple Summary of our message in English (version3)
===We are announcing again since there are too many misunderstanding regarding SAVE MIKU project. We have changed the direction just after initial promotion in early February. We are NOT asking to recover deleted videos. We are asking to help investigation and studying quietly. You can think, investigate and study quietly to discover what is going on. One of the Goal is added "Collaboration on Vocaloid work between Japan and the West." .===

===During the investigation and studying, ''' we are trying to find what is the problem for the international transfer of Vocaloid works. We are trying to find the clue to help by analysis and investigation. '''=== ===We are trying to monitor and search the environment of Vocaloid works and fandom in YouTube. Then, we developed the checking system for Vocaloid videos in YouTube, in order to protect Vocaloid works and fandom.===

Please help if you are interested in. Please tell us if you find any new information about it.
===We found that anti-Korean activists and anti-Japan activists are also using SAVE MIKU project to promote their anti-Korean campaign. We are asking NOT to stimulate NOR respond the anti-Korean activists who are sitting in the comment place of the YouTube video of SAVE MIKU. Thus, please try to discuss more detailed topics of Vocaloid with other Vocaloid fan in order to reduce the intention of anti-Korean activists.===

===Propose of the initial message was only informing to other person that "mysterious deletion has been happening". The initial aim, which was telling about deletion of videos, seems successful. However, responses were too aggressive from oversea sometime. Therefore, we shifted more mildly as written in Main Menu+ Japanese and Save Miku Overseas Wiki. During our investigation and studying, many thing has been discovered as written in summary and others.===

===It was found that more than 70-80% of the Vocaloid videos in YouTube are/maybe copied and re-uploaded from Nico Nico Video without permission form the Original Producer. Many original Producer of video did not interested in recovering the deleted video. Therefore, we changed the direction. We started to inform and study how to prevent or reduce unwanted copying.===

===There are BIG misunderstanding within Producers in Japan that we promote and help copying and re-uploading video from Nico Noco Douga to Youtube without permission. However, it is not true. Due to misunderstanding, most of Producers may not read our message yet. Thus, if you find an original Producer, please show our new message and ask for understanding of our activity. There is some possibility that some creator related people are helping to hide major claimers in small community.===

===We started to help getting permission from the original Producers. Many Producers seems  expecting some kind of contact  even  After  secondary use of the video. It seems better to say hi, if you are using for secondary use. It may also fine to confirm in order to check English translation of lyric. It was discovered that there are many mistranslation in the video. It was realized that translation of lyric is translation of poem. Thus, It is very difficult. It was found that some English translators did not understand the meaning of Japanese lyric.===

===It was also found that if you can use Pipro, Website for creators made by Crypton, it is very easy and simple to get permission for secondary use. Many original Producer are already registered in Priapro for collaboration or secondary use. Please find more in the following page:===

【ピアプロの使用方法の英語での勉強会】
===We also started to investigate if false claimer may targeted to bad and mistranslation as written in summary. We are now studying and investigating how to improve Vocaloid related environment. Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission .===

===We also develop the special method to check all Vocaloid videos in YouTube nearly everyday. Due to Daily Check of Vocaloid video and precaution with everyone, deletion of the additional video has been stabilized. If you find additional deleted video, please contact us and leave some comment in the Wiki. We are also discussing and investigating every day to find the evidence related to the mysterious video deletion.===

 Protection of creative environment is also important according to creator and Producer regarding Save Miku in order to produce new video and secondary works. Proper secondary use and protection of the chain of creation may also Save Miku.

===Many of our previous video may showing the previous message which was initially released in January, 2012. Several days from the initial message, we already CHANGED a lot. It was found that several private Website may also showing very old message. Thus, please find the latest message from this page.===

===3) Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are collecting some information as written in the News in February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012. We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.===

Case7 mikufan.com 【Crypton and Google are solving according to the articles of mikufan.com or NOT TRUE】

Who is going to solve all these problems?
===We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone has to solve these problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care of this? Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.===

===The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. Most of the visitor by Facebook was stopped for 2 months after their articles as shown in our top page. We and them need to correct wrong information in their article.===

===It is very helpful that if someone could check the English spelling or grammar to improve our writing such as written in this Website since we don't have enough person to do all the work. It is also helpful to translate our main message into other languages.===

以前の動画及び他の有志の古いサイトの内容が、現在の趣旨とは異なっている場合があります）


New Illustration 新しいイラスト

Illustration may be moved into other pages. イラストは他のページに移動する可能性が高いです.

(イラストは、ピアプロの規定に従い、自由にダウンロードして、ご自分のサイトなどで、自由にご使用ください. )
==How To Use Piapro in English (ピアプロの使用方法） ==

(We are trying to translate into English several documents to help understanding. (Just Miku Fan's help for international user unofficially.)





[[File:3D(7-2)_of_No7_Miku_with_YouTube.jpg|thumb|600px| http://piapro.jp/t/kutZ (Where to download.)

This illustration does not indicate about the relationship of Hatsune Miku and YouTube.

このイラストは、初音ミクとYouTubeの、提携などを含めた、関係を示すものではありません. ]]



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