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Feedback message and tentative results after investigation, July 2012(調査によるフィードバックメッセージ:暫定調査結果)
===1) It was found that many copied and re-uploaded videos were already present in YouTube WITHOUT permission from original Producer. It may harming the activity of original Producer to start near future in YouTube. It is harming the NEW ORIGINAL creations. It may be asked to delete by original Producer. Please find original PV to view original video which is uploaded by original Producer in YouTube. Please change or add proper URL link in your Website to show original videos from P. Please read Piapro as a model of putting credit===

調査の結果、まだPに確認しておられない多数の無断転載状態の動画が見つかりました. これらの動画により、オリジナル作者のPが、近い将来YouTube環境で活動を開始するときに、妨げになる場合があることが判明してきています. 新規の創作の妨げになる場合があります. オリジナル作者のPが、将来削除や修正を求める場合もあるかもしれません. もしオリジナル作者のPが、YouTubeで活動を開始された場合、オリジナル作者のPの動画を見つけて閲覧してください. その際、オリジナル作者のPの動画が表示されるように、その他の海外サイトの動画のURLリンクを、適正に追加・修正してください. ピアプロなどで、紹介されているように、Vocaloid関連作品の場合、二次利用後に、ゆっくり後日、作者にコンタクトを取って利用確認が行われる場合もあります.

【二次創作利用の手引き】

2)Why videos are deleted? (なぜビデオが消されるの?)
===During our investigation, many problems are found in international Vocaloid community and user. It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often.===

===After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English. It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.===

3) How everything start working. HELP request for everyone to continue
===It was found that our investigation and monitoring seems protecting from mysterious deletion even something and video deletion are still happening in July 2012. If someone delete one Vocaloid video from YouTube, we can find out usually. We also receive complainment, opinion and suggestion from someone who still want delete videos.===

===Thus, please DO NOT STOP helping. We don't have enough people to continue for longer. We are doing by minimum number (a few) of people. We need to shift volunteer people to rest near future. We have been protecting, investigating and solving problems for 6 months from January 2012.===

===Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone who can participate as minor volunteer is highly requested. Most of the volunteer is helping very minor part from internet. However, if one person stop, major part of our activity is stop. Crypron and Google are not solving problems actively. They are not helping followings. Thus, you may able to help following:===

a) promote our activity to international and Japanese Website to correct misunderstanding of our activity

b) proof read and correct of English of this Website.

c) contact original Producer to get information of permission guideline for the Secondary Use.

d) make video, illustration or other creative works related to our new massage and Websites

e) translate main part of this message into other language.

f) do many minor things

4) To the people who make advice and receive advice (アドバイスする方と、される方へ）
===It was fond that during the advice and receiving advice for correction or something, many kind of fights and additional problems were generated very often. It may cause mysterious deletion of videos sometime. Thus, this feedback is generated to solve problem in advance.===

===If original Producer ask to change something or delete video, please make fundamental relationship by communicating ordinary talk for about 1 WEEK before entering the discussion of major problem. It was found that immediate discussion regarding problems usually cause debate and fighting. It was also found that high school and middle school kids were occasionally causing problems in English Websites===

===Even some Japanese people in YouTube tried to make advice to correct something, it was/may recognized as some kind of spam or similar activity due to poor communication skill in English. Please understand that original Producers and some people who is helping them may not use good communication skill in English.===

===This is not the level of English writing. This is the experience level to understand foreign culture in different language/country. Experience to solve problem is needed for maintaining good communication. Please understand this is not the normal English advice nor conversation anymore.===

===According to the report, it was also found that some English translator in Japan may cause problem due to aggressive writing during correction. This person may expand problem even poor communication skill in basic English.===

===If original Producer is visiting you for several reason, please make sure the objective. P may also busy. Please understand Japanese creator may not good at English communication. If a volunteer from Vocaloid community is visiting for your advice or correction, please do not blame back. Please use simple English instead of slang.===

CAUTION
===If an adviser start blaming or writing negative comment, please stop advising and rest for at lease several days or 1 week. It may cause additional problems. It may cause very bad impression of other advisers too. Please have a fun instead of doing uncomfortable advice.===

(相手に理解を促し、情報をまとめるため、このサイトのページをお示しくださっても結構です. 早急に本題に対する回答を求めるのではなく、1-2週間以上考える時間を与えてあげる方が、上手くいく場合が多いです. )
Main Menu+Japanese (日本語メニュー)

===もし作者Pが、何かの修正や動画の削除を求められる場合、本題に入る前に、最低限の基本的な会話コミニュケーションを英語で確立できるまで、共通の話題や雑談などで[丁寧に]対話をして下さい. いきなり本題を言われた結果、文化相違や語学の問題により、逆切れや無視なども含めて、上手く会話が行われていない場合が多いことが、調査の結果判明しだしてきています. 基本的な信頼関係ができる前に、いきなり本題に入っても、理解してもらえず、会話が失敗に終るケースが多いためです. ===

一週間程度は、本題に入らず、最低限の信頼関係及びコミニュケーションの確立されることを、お勧めいたします.
基本的に海外の方は、普段からディベートなどを含めて活発に意見・反論することを美徳とされ、国により教育されて求められているなど、異なる文化環境にある場合が多いことを御理解ください. 通常の日本人は、単純な多少の反論を聞いても、逆切れと思ってしまう場合が、多数ありますので、[文化的な相違による]、海外の言葉の理解の違いに事前にご注意ください. これらは、翻訳しても単純には表示されません.

調査結果より、注意しても相手に聞き入られなかったと理解され、思い余って動画等の削除に走っておられる場合がありますので、まず主題に入る前に、相手方との信頼関係を[気長に]確立されることをご提案いたします. 本題のやり取りで、関係がまずくなってしまった場合、他の対話内容にするなどのスキルも活用してください.

日本人が、親切に説明し注意しているつもりでも、海外での相手方には、そのように外国語では理解されていない場合がありますので、ご注意ください.

基本的な関係が出来たのを確認した上で、ようやく本題に入られることをお勧めいたします. いきなり注意しても、通りすがりのうるさい人か、荒らしの方と思われてしまう場合が結構あります. この内容は、あくまで過去の例に基づく参考例ですので、上手くいかない場合もありえます.
Please read detail in following pages:

【アドバイスする方と、される方へ】

How to delete or change unwanted video of my song 【自作楽曲の気に入らない動画の訂正及び削除の依頼方法】

【国際的なPさん及びクリエイター及びファンの為のページ】

5) Crypton and Google issue
===Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. We received several unofficial letters from Crypton regarding this case 7, the articles from MikuFan.com written in April 16 and 23, 2012.===

===Most of Japanese fan knew that the information from MikuFan.com were wrong regarding Crypton and Google due to the original News in February 2, 2012 and some minor information from Crypton. However, their articles were expanded in international community in English. Their articles have been causing confusion in Vocaloid community.===

===We spent 2 months to investigate this case to find out what is the truth, quietly. We spent 1-2 month to tell about misunderstanding or incorrect information in order to convince MikuFan.com, with minor unofficial help from Crypton. Please read our report which is on going even not good English yet.===

Case7 mikufan.com 【Crypton and Google are solving according to the articles of mikufan.com or NOT TRUE】

Who is going to take care to solve many problems?
===We also found many problems related to Vocaloid community and SAVE MIKU during the investigation. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. Who is going to take care? ===

===In addition to us, Crypton is also asking gently to fandom and user in order to think about coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use. Google can not protect if the video is copied and re-uploaded without permission. Downloading and re-uploading of a video violate the general user term of Youtube. There are no people or organization to take care so far.===

Did SASA Jyunichi try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion?
===Please start thinking instead of saying there is no problem. We are still not sure the initial person, who try to take care the coping videos and the permission problems by massive illegal deletion, was SASA Jyunichi or not. lol.. We found some information that SASA is/may related to musician. Please read our report and summary page of this Wikia.===

===The big problems of their articles from MikuFan.com were that they removed the most of our promotion activity. We highly need to promote our new massage to change BIG misunderstanding in producer and other people as described above. We highly need help to maintain current situation in order to protect and investigate.===

===Another big problem is that when we tried to release message, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. If Crypton and Google are actively solving the problems instead of us, we don't have to do. We can watch as advised by their article. Thus, we are not able to release and spread the new massage until nearly finish the investigation of this case. We needed to solve/finish the case of MikuFan.com before spreading our new message.===

Correction request of inaccurate information
===It's still causing confusion and big problems. We and they need to correct wrong/inaccurate information in their article and need to spread correct information. It is normal to write correction in the field of Journal printing for more than 100 years.===

===Many international people believed their news that "Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do". When we start to discuss, everyone ask us if Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do. We can not correct information one by one.===

Correction request for previous wrong information
Correct:

6) Next Step is correction of information and confirmation
===We found some information that massive Vocaloind video deleting group and/or "SASA Jyunichi" is/may related to musician. Did "SASA Jyunichi" try to solve problems illegally by massive deletion? We don't know yet. We found that some Producer, creator and/or translator may hiding and protecting information of "SASA Jyunichi".(cuould be in very small SNS community).===

===We can not get full information from Producers due to BIG misunderstanding. There are big mis-understanding within Producer in Japan that we (SAVE MIKU) promote and help copying and re-uploading video. However, it is not true. Please tell right information as listed here. This is the next thing everyone can do. We still get many spams due to this misunderstanding in Japanese Websites.===

Thus, we highly need to correct the information within Producer and this "Crypron and Google are already solving and nothing to do".
===It was found that English communication between the people who make advice and receive advice was not good very often. After these kind of problem, videos were/might deleted including mysterious deletion due to bad result of communication and response in English.===

It may possible that someone may also delete video for joking or something. Thus, continuous investigation and help by everyone is highly requested.
===Since many account may start to lost contact, it is very good to make contact for confirmation each other. During confirmation please tell correct information and this page. It is also helpful to ask for the deletion of wrong information and videos as follows:===

Help Viewing Original from Producers
===It was discovered that many Vocaloid videos in YouTube were copied and re-uploaded since original video in Nico Nico Douga/Video may difficult view by international user. If you can view or show Nico Nico Douga in international Website, it solve many problems. Please help to show original works by putting proper links and embedding system of video to Website.===

How to view or show Nico Nico Douga and others in English including your Website
【英語でオリジナル動画を閲覧するためのヘルプとお願い】

【ニコニコ生放送を英語で見て予約するヘルプ】

8) Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading video
===We are now studying and investigating how to improve Vocaloid related environment. Please Stop posting and using “Save Miku” at the time of copying and re-uploading video without permission. There is some possibility that someone who don't want SAVE MIKU campaign may also abuse these kind video and posting. Someone who don't like Vocaloid may also abuse.===

===Thus, please delete this kind of video by yourself. We don't need this kind of video. These kind of videos were mainly uploaded in February 2012. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.===

9) Please delete these kind of video and message by your self
===Do NOT use SAVE MIKU for copying and re-uploading video. This kind of video cause misunderstanding of SAVE MIKU. As shown in our feedback page, copying and re-uploading video increase deletion of videos. We currently need other help instead of this.===

===Again, Crypton and Google are NOT solving the video deletion problem actively according to Crypton and our investigation. They are just collecting some information as written in J-CAST News on February 2, 2012. Since Crypton and Google are NOT actively solving many problems, someone have to take care to solve problems. Coping videos and permission problems for secondary use are also remaining for international user. In addition to us, Crypton is also asking to think about Coping videos and the permission problems for secondary use.====

Following are wrong message spread by someone:

EDIT: Miku is now safe,﻿ Crypton and Google made a joint effort and fixed the issue.

Countless videos featuring Miku are being deleted by unknown individuals and/or groups. Everybody, help us to save Miku!

What you can do:

1. Download every Miku video you watch with a YouTube Downloader of your choice

2. Upload them to your channel and mark them with SaveMiku (at least in tags, better in the title)

3. Spread this message through comments and video descriptions

We are her soul. We give her voice. We give her life.

We, the fans, are Hatsune Miku.

They want to take her down? They'll have to take us down!

I do not own anything. Everything belongs to their rightful owners.**

Example of video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Esp0W9ZCxr8